Dr. Chris Shirley joins us as our special guest. He begins our conversation by giving us the story behind his book, Family Ministry and the Church. He talks about the balance in the shared responsibility of the church and parents in discipleship. He encourages grandparents to continue to pursue influence in the lives of their children and grandchildren, and Dr. Shriley advises on how to inspire older generations to serve with younger generations. He says what he feels the future of seminary education holds and in training pastors for the future.